I'm not worried about those as much as the midsize and up SUV's, there will be very few Hummer EV's on the road statistically but mid size SUV's have become almost the standard American car.
Well, I live in the burbs and have a kid in his carseat in the back, plus stroller and groceries. Not to mention I'm a rather large man and when we last looked for cars I literally couldn't fit into a lot of them, I need more space. Even more, great gas mileage and reliability, and very safe. "Compact SUVs" or whatever they call the Subaru Forester now and it's ilk are exactly perfect for my family, especially with another kid on the way.
> 10 years ago you would have bought a family van.
Fellow European here, we don't have kids but we were thinking at maybe getting a second dog, which made me look for a possible car replacement (we now have a 15+ year-old small hatchback). After some searching and calculating I found out that the "usefulness" of cars for my purported task (to transport two dogs in the back) can be summarized like this (in decreasing order): vans -> station wagons/estates -> SUVs/CUVs.
Unfortunately vans are on their out, I can't really understand the reason why (the VW Sharan will cease production this year, Ford C-Max ceased production back in 2019 etc), station wagons are also not feeling good, almost every car company is betting the house on SUVs/CUVs, which is a trend I don't like at all, because you get to pay more money for less utility.
I don’t know what kind of van you have in mind but there are plenty of vans in the US that are actually more powerful and heavy than a SUV. A Chrysler Voyager has 100 more hp and weighs about 900 lbs more than a Forester.
The vans don't pretend to be built for off-road, so they have better steering and lower gas mileage (both due to lower suspention and to lower weight).
Is this true? The van mentioned, the Chrysler Voyager, gets about 22mpg. The Subaru Forester (mentioned elsewhere as an example SUV) gets about 28mpg. The Forrester is about 3600 pounds, vs. 4300 pounds for the Voyager.
The vans made by US companies for US markets are gas guzzlers, but the ones made for other markets are better. For example, Ford S-Max sold in Poland gets 37 mpg, and is larger than the Forester.
Looked into this a bit. S-Max is a hybrid minivan, so gas mileage won't compare with Forester, but otherwise, they seem oddly identical.
S-Max vs. Forester
Curb weight: 3626 lbs vs. 3620
Mileage: 44 mpg vs. 30 mpg
Cargo: 77.69 cubic feet vs. 74.2 cubic feet
So about 6 pounds heavier and 4 cubic feet more space than the Forester. It would be interesting if we had a hybrid Forester to compare with, but that doesn't seem to exist (yet).
Also looked into U.S. vans being gas guzzlers. A comparable vehicle in the U.S. is the Toyota Sienna, since it's a hybrid minivan. It's 4700 pounds, gets 36 mpg (vs. 44 for S-Max), but has 101 cubic feet of cargo space, which is 1/3 more than the S-Max. Seems to correlate well with weight, which makes sense.
Based on this, my (current) take is that mid-size SUVs in the U.S. are equivalent to these smaller minivans elsewhere, and U.S. minivans are a bit larger and heavier than that.
My wife, kid in a car seat, and I recently went on a two weeks vacation in our VW Polo, baby stroller, disassembled om
changing table and two weeks worth of luggage included. Granted, the car was jam-packed, but it makes me think you could get the things you listed to fit in a smaller car.
On the outside, cars like the berlingo offer so much more room on the inside than even large SUVs it's not even funny. Goes to show that many of the "I need a large car because I have a family" arguments, are really more about looking big from the outside, not so much about internal practicalities.
My mom got one mainly because it was convenient for transporting my grandma. Not many cars you can exit from sitting height. Of course it also fits a lot of crap when e.g. going on holiday. It's an odd in-between between a sedan and a van.
The older Berlin OS were much more trade/transport cars, but the newer Berlingo comes in a family version which is pretty cool (and received reviews at least in the German press).
NZ has different vehicles available to other countries. This was about 15 years ago or so. And a family of 6 plus several dogs and luggage capability.
I'm sure they could have maybe picked a smaller vehicle as well but economics also come into it - it was a secondhand Japanese import (NZ gets a lot of those, in fact when I was a kid we found yen coins still hidden underneath the seats) so it was gotten on the cheap as well.
You can't legally drive the hummer EV in Switzerland on your standard license (B permit) . The max weight allowed is 3500 kg. I doubt we will see this vehicle Europe for sale.
Many residential neighborhoods have around a 3-ton vehicle weight limit (some go by axle count.) This was designed to stop semi-truck towing trailers from parking in neighborhoods. I lived in one and got chewed out when my OTR cousin stopped in for a night with his whole rig.
I would expect such a low limit to be relatively rare. It precludes a lot of regular vehicles -- everything from a basic UPS delivery truck to almost any regular pickup bigger than a Toyota Tacoma. A Hummer EV has a similar GVWR to an F250, and considerably lower than a typical F350, which are common residential vehicles (for better or worse).
An F250 generally has a GVWR of 9900, which is essentially 5T. It could be spec'd with a 12400 limit, but most are not. Far more common on an F350, though, to see 13000+.
I expect you're talking about curb weight. 6500 pounds for a gasser F250 is pretty typical, a bit north of 7000 for a diesel (which is 3.5T). But it's impractical to go by curb weight, the real number is GVWR. Can't tell what someone might be carrying and it all goes to the road.
> It precludes a lot of regular vehicles -- everything from a basic UPS delivery truck to almost any regular pickup bigger than a Toyota Tacoma
For someone from Europe this sentence is insane. Calling a truck heavier than 3 tones a regular vehicle is just mindboggling. In most (all?) of Europe you need a special license to drive a vehicle that is over 3.5 tonnes.
Between the obvious danger per the article, there’s also lots of extra wear on roads, particularly small residential ones.
Lots of external costs.