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Promoting destruction of property and intimidation has no place in civil society.


It doesn't matter because there is no such activist group and vandalization of SUVs is not a common crime.

Such a high percentage of cars are SUVs that it wouldn't even be sending a coherent message.


There absolutely are such vandal groups. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31939177


So this guy says "there are activist groups," and your evidence is this website: https://www.tyreextinguishers.com/news?slug=tyre-extinguishe...

They claim only to have damaged 40 cars one time. There's no evidence they did that, no public outcry in New York, and no corroborating evidence at all.

Again, there is no movement like this. There has not been a spike in vandalism against SUVs. I work with auto insurance data in my day job, and changes in damage to parked SUVs hasn't notably changed.


Just putting on a bull bar on a big truck/SUV in a city center itself isn't destruction of property or intimidation even if it may lead to that. It might actually intimidate some people walking around at street level if they knew how mangled up in it you can get caught, but the vast majority aren't even aware.


I feel like SUV rage was much worse in 1995-2005 era.


Yes, it peaked with David Foster Wallace being cheered by graduating Kenyon folks when he was making a counter-example:

. . . and I can dwell on the fact that the patriotic or religious bumper-stickers always seem to be on the biggest, most disgustingly selfish vehicles, driven by the ugliest [responding here to loud applause] — this is an example of how NOT to think, though . . .

https://fs.blog/david-foster-wallace-this-is-water/


I think you're right. There's certainly been an uptick during COVID in cities, however.


Not everyone lives in insane places where people feel the need to car shame.


The overwhelming (and I mean truly overwhelming, to the point you often cannot even get people to engage with any criticism of cars) majority of places are the absolute opposite. Car shaming is basically rounds down to zero. Contrast that with bicycle or bus or public transport shaming which is frequent and often extremely abusive.


SUV drivers have to face occasional online complaints while the other are up against literal murder attempts, often successful.


It's more than abusive, social media is filled with frothing car fanatics that want to kill cyclists merely for slowing them down from being able to roar up to the traffic light and stop in traffic a few seconds earlier.


Not everyone lives in insane car filled wastelands. Aerial pictures of lots of American cities are truly abhorrent, vast concrete and asphalt wastelands purely for car parking. The American system and people definitely need car shaming. I don't want the same thing exported to my city.


Neither do we want to live in the equivalent of a factory farm.


How do you get reducing car dependence in cities = factory farm?

Walkable, rideable, and a plentitude of public transport is infinitely more sustainable and humane than vast expanses of parking lots.


One could argue that this is the exact good use of shaming: As a mild punishment for anti-social behaviour


SUV shaming is a lot like drink driver shaming. A completely rational action for healthy society.


> SUV shaming is a lot like drink driver shaming.

Are you drink?


"Drink driving" is the UK term for what Americans call "drunk driving."


"Drink driver" and "drink driving" seem to be the British phrases.


>Are you drink?

Are you American?


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While those activists are being stupid, this argument is even worse. A heavier car is intrinsically more dangerous to those around it, as the article we're commenting on explains. People can also choose how large of a personal vehicle they want to buy.

Neither of those apply to race in the slightest.


Being born as a member of a disfavored ethnic group is just like buying a car




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