Hacker Newsnew | past | comments | ask | show | jobs | submit | lukaspetersson's commentslogin


Your bot you call a 'manager' can't actually do anything. You are selling ali-express drop shipped (probably filled with heavy metals) protein for $50.00 (why)?

You're in here actually running the company.. It seems like you have no product, a wrapper maybe.

See the reason you're in here running the company, sharing this link is because humans inherently value the social connection derived from "doing business". Pivot while you can, because this simply is not a paradigm anybody wants. You should read up on commodity fetishism.

Every company that attempts a strategy of full autonomy will automatically get out competed by the human ran company. For many different reasons, but mostly because its rather cheap and lacking any meaning. Even if you had an AI that was capable of doing so (you don't), people want human connection, they want the meaning behind things. We don't do business just for the sake of producing pieces of paper..

I would argue half the reason to have "businesses" is to employee your fellow community members, a tide that lifts all boats so you can live in a decent society. There's so missing here. You llm grifters are really losing the plot, not everything is about money (even if we would like it to be).

The Sovereign Individual???


We didn't

It's an unfortunate name collision. I definitely assumed the meaning was implied.

I thought it was just spelled differently because I don't work with particle physics much

We're very explicit that this is for experimentation. And I wouldn't recommend using it to start a business that has expenses (rent+salaries) of tens of thousands per month.

We're very explicit that this is for experimentation. And I wouldn't recommend using it to start a business that has expenses (rent+salaries) of tens of thousands per month.

We're very explicit that this is for experimentation. Don't expect that every possible thing will work and be profitable.

Forget every possible thing. Has anything yet worked and been profitable?

Did you even read our marketing? We're very explicit that this is for experimentation.

Your marketing that starts with:

> Today Andon is releasing Pion, an agent designed to run any company fully autonomously.

That marketing?


We think this is good for the world. Longer argument in the post.

maybe ill read the article, but i mean you’re financially motivated to think its good for the world arent you?

humans are excellent at justification.


We want the general public, AI researchers and policymakers to know to what extent AIs can autonomously acquire resources by running businesses. It is an important datapoint when deciding where we do/don’t want AI in society and what level of progress we find acceptable. To better track this, we need to cast a wider net of businesses.

We expect that most users will never pay for tokens on Pion; instead we will take a small share of the revenue the agent helps create.

So the longer argument is that it's good for the world to see how much revenue Pion can manage, and also your pricing plan is take [unspecified] % of revenue.


You literally talk about committing a crime and blame it on a model

did you link to the wrong page? because i read this one: https://andonlabs.com/blog/why-we-built-pion and it's just a bunch of the usual slop about how awesome your automated human-exploitation system is.

"By late 2025, frontier models had gotten good enough that running a real-life vending machine was no longer a challenge" ... is this satire? Isn't it kind of hard to lose money running a vending machine in a good location?


yawn

Good point. Here it is: https://andonlabs.com/pion

It's not from us. Didn't send the link to a single person.

How can we know this?..

No way to confirm. True.

I thought HN was good at filtering it? We didn't try to create any spam at least.

Guidelines | FAQ | Lists | API | Security | Legal | Apply to YC | Contact

Search: